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PostSubject: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:07 pm

Today I was demoted for being a douche. and to be honest I knew I was being one. I had a really bad day and I admitted it right after I got back. We pretty much argue'd a bit between me and Steve,but we fairly made it up. Then Swallow pops out of nowhere and demotes me for being a douche on one dunge. I'm not taking this bull shit.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:17 pm

Way to jump to conclusions, Josh. I wasn't the one that demoted you. At any rate, that's not the issue here. Luke and I both agreed that your behavior was mirroring that of Reed when we demoted him to captain. Your behavior was completely unacceptable. If you are having a bad day, then tell us and log off. It's just juvenile to take your anger out on your friends and ruin what was actually an enjoyable time. Intentionally sabotaging our efforts because you were having a bad time is just wrong. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen any evidence of a proper apology. Accepting that you were acting immature is one thing; coming to terms that it was a serious event is another.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:21 pm

Fuck this,then.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:41 pm

Okay, Josh.. You know we love you. This demotion is nothing against you on a personal level by any of those involved, it was an action against your attitude as of late. Lately you've been Queen Bitch to the umpteenth degree, and you've had it coming at you for a while.

I understand you're probably a little on the furious side, but think about it from OUR perspective. Ideally today will be the last of the Joshy we've seen for the last week or two. Sorry it had to come to this, but I feel we've made the right choice and this will remind you that this isn't any ONE MAN's clan. This is our clan, and if ANYBODY tries to fuck with it or make members unhappy they WILL be dealt with.

We gave you a chance, and its not like you're expelled from the clan. I just think this demotion will give you a little reminder as to who you are. Don't take it the wrong way because, once again, its not a personal action against YOU, but action against your actions as of late.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:52 pm

Sorry Josh.
I just rememberd now. Josh has to stand behind me in rev hunts. :D
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:07 pm

If I go to them,that is.

You guys have already had two strikes. I don't think I want to watch the third.

And Luke,I don't see any rules explaining any of this? So how did you warn me? I suppose you get to making rules for the unorganized mess you've made. I am sick of this,I think reed made a good decision not to try to get general back,mainly because he'd probably get demoted anyways. I've talked with a few members quietly. They have agreed to the same level as where I am going.

Sorry of my demotion? Don't bull shit me like my clan leaders did,appearantly you voted to demote me nonetheless. You're a good friend.

I'll make sure not to make bonding friendships online again,as they always end up stabbing you in the back.

Advice from a clan member which is now one of my.. I can't go there as it would break the rules. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:35 pm

2nd strike Josh really? I think you're going just a lil' bit far with all of this. I think you need to chill out and stop being such a child. Time to try and grow up Josh, stop acting like a 10 year old and pouting, and start acting like someone whos going into high school.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:36 pm

I'm fighting against what I think isn't right. Demoted for wasting Swallow's precious tokens.


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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:38 pm

So you're fighting for a cause that you believe what you're fighting for isn't right? Makes sense....
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:39 pm

Ooh,thanks for correcting me steveo.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:41 pm

Here's a cookie just for that.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:14 am

I think you need to get that stick out of your ass and then try talking to us
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:17 am

Get your stick out of my ass and start talking to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:18 am

I'm pointing out my reasons and you guys are fighting back with nothing. What I would figure.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:20 am

It is one dungeon,and you guys are acting like I hacked the clan. It's bull shit. Of course it wouldn't matter to you,Steve. It took you 2 weeks to get your general status as it took me 2 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:41 am

Josh, I'm not seeing where your argument about my "precious tokens" is coming from. I was against kicking you because that would simply reduce everyone's experience, not to mention punish you. If we didn't kick you, it would be a plus for everything. So the logical decision would be to keep you in the group.

I don't know what's going on, Josh. You're supposed to be a really great person to hang out with, someone who loves to have fun just as much as anyone else here. You're generally quite reasonable and an overall good guy. Recently, though, I'm not sure...that Josh came and went.

The fault is not all on you. It's not a perfect system, but to be honest, you have been the cause of most of the disruptions as of late. Please don't start going for personal attacks and ruining what credibility you have left. If we are all more cooperative, this can be resolved in a productive way.

This is all guesswork on my part, but hear me out. I believe a host of issues has been bothering you, but rather than directly bring them up, you chose to not discuss them in favor of avoiding any conflict that might ensue. An admirable decision, but not one that generally works in the long run. So please, tell us what exactly has been bothering you in no uncertain terms. I think one main issue is that you're not feeling appreciated or included in activities. However, like I said, these are just my thoughts... Please respond in the rational manner that I know you are capable of.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:42 am

P.S. Steve, reduce the inflammatory comments and quell them if you can.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:45 am

You've hit one of them right on the spot.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:48 am

Sorry Swallow, but obviously you guys being civil and beating around the block isn't working with him. So i was just being straight up blunt with him, he needs to get the point that he's been acting like a jackass and an ass hole and no one thinks it's funny, and it has been phasing all of us not just one.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:53 am

I admitted I was being an asshole. I knew it wasn't funny either. You're one of the people I try not to hate too badly in this clan,but appearantly you're just not the person who forgives and forgets.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:44 am

Well,I'm gonna catch some shuteye. We will continue this tomorrow.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:09 am

Okay, so I got one. Why don't you go ahead and tell us all the other reasons, so we can address them all.

I fail to see where you haven't been included; you've certainly been welcome in the dungeons we've been doing. I seem to remember doing a number of dungeons to help level you up. I agree we haven't directly expressed our appreciation for you in a while, and the general banter was more abrasive than usual. Please note that there was not a anti-Josh campaign of any sorts and that you can stop feeling like we were all out to get you. I do appreciate your continued loyalty to TPB over the years and like our new maggot said, we talked like we were siblings and it was obvious that we'd known each other for a long time; I can't speak for anyone else here, as they are free to voice their opinions in this forum, but I have definitely appreciated you, if that even means anything to you.

There is a lot going on between you and Steve, and it is clearly a long-term event. I always thought it was just a state of 'frenemies' but it seems to me that you guys have never actually made peace on any of the issues you have with each other, and it's come to this. The phrase "never to forgive, never to forget" seems to be a key one with you, Josh, in describing Steve. I'm not denying that, but I would also like to remind you that it quite effectively describes your demeanor as well. I would like to emphasize that this is the time to talk about it; things have waited long enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:15 am

bwahaha,the second one is indeedly true.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:18 am

Actually..Steve connects somehow to a lot of these issues somehow. Interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:20 am

Thing is,I'm not truely a guy who tries to share his feelings. I like to keep them in. It's easy for a girl,but..different for a guy. Don't ask why,it's just been like that. Such as the guys don't cry thing. (until we lock ourselves in our room and flood our room in tears.Wait,what?)
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:20 am

Josh, unless you start talking about the problem, it's not going to get better. I'm not seeing enough effort from you in regards to informing us about what is going on. Are you even reading what I've been saying?
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:21 am

Yes,of course I would never skim through your long and painful messages of pity and sorrow! O_O
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:26 am

It's not a fact of being not included,it's more of a fact I'm considered useless. (Triggering another douche move. Thus sitting down and letting you guys do the fighting in the dungeon.)
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:42 am

A girl thing, right. Are you trying to turn me against you? Also, I really don't think this is the place for sarcasm, in light of the communication efforts that are ongoing.

Sharing feelings is a problem for most people, regardless of gender, because it exposes oneself, creating vulnerability. Generally, one only does shares in the presence of people one trusts enough to not take advantage of it. I understand that this clearly isn't the ideal space for you to do that, but I can't see any other way to help you out.

What I don't want this to turn into is an extended series of insults that ultimately puts this whole thing, and you by association, under an unfavorable spotlight. I also don't want it to be a publicity stunt on your part by backing away from giving definite information and pushing us to guess what is wrong in an effort to remain the center of attention. Yes, I'm being blunt. You see why that would be an option I would have to remain careful against, though.

Useless is a relative term. It makes sense that five people are not absolutely necessary to blitz through every room when three of them are 90+. However, there are always other jobs to do. You like skilling; why not exclusively skill if you feel that you're not helping on the combat front? Searching out doors, foraging for forgotten supplies, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Bull Shit?   Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:54 am

Never saw that thing in a girl's vision. >_>

Anyways,back to the discussion.

Paragraph 1) No..I'm not trying to turn you against me in any way,sorry if it looked like that.
Paragraph 2)Taking advantage of this...Now who would do that?
Paragraph 3)No,this is not a publicity stunt,it's mainly the fact I am not used to giving out this much of my feelings and such. I'll probably try my best to slowly give it out,because I feel if I list them in order I will be giving too much at a time.
Paragraph 4) I..I..Never thought of...That... :\
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